From Left: Stjepan Mesic, Slavko Goldstein, Milorad Pupovac
Photo: Zeljko Mrsic/Pixsell
When an online news article attracts 2,130 comments then you know it’s touching the nerve of a nation; that’s especially so if that country has a population of 4.4 million.
One of such news article appeared Saturday 27 July in Croatia’s Vecernji List portal and it’s title: Mesic: An uprising occurred in Srb and Ustashephiles won’t be able to change that!
Marking the 72nd Anniversary of the uprising of people of Lika and Kordun happened in Srb (Lika region), Croatia, on Saturday. Present were Croatia’s former president Stjepan Mesic (a die-hard communist), and his political chums Milorad Pupovac (a leader of some but not all Croatian Serbs/) and Slavko Goldstein (representing at the event Croatia’s president Ivo Josipovic but otherwise author, historian and served in communist Yugoslav Partisan forces during WWII).
Celebrating the “Srb uprising” (July 1941) has been a very sore and controversial issue in Croatia and to this day it divides the Croatian nation, I dare say because the communist partisan’s crimes committed there have not been either properly acknowledged or prosecuted. Opinions vary regarding the Srb Uprising: some say it was a rebellion against the WWII Ustashe regime in Croatia, some say it was a Serb Chetnik retaliation (with Greater Serbia goals) against local Ustashe, some say it was a part of communist partisan antifascist strategy with majority Serbs forming the lines of uprising, many say it was not an uprising but the beginning of Serb Chetnik killing orgies against Croatian people …
The tally of truth is that the Yugoslav communist partisans here slaughtered multitudes of innocent Croatians and their followers today justify these crimes of “retaliation” as just!
Since when have retaliation or revenge mitigated crimes in the eyes of the law?
Only since communist crimes began it seems.
On Saturday 27 July nearby the Srb commemoration site a group led by the Autochthon Croatian Party of Rights protested against the antifascist Srb commemoration claiming that the Srb Uprising was not an antifascist operation in WWII but a pure Serb Chetnik murderous spree against Croatians.
When Mesic was president of Croatia he said:
“No one defends neither the first nor the second Yugoslavia, or denies the flaws and failures of these states. No one defends or justifies the crimes committed on the winning side by noting that these were individual crimes, even when they were bulk, while the crimes of the Ustasha regime were regime’s policy”.
On Saturday at Srb, the same Stjepan Mesic, now honorary president of Croatian antifascist association, jumped into his own mouth and said that “an uprising against the Nazi fascist occupiers occurred in Srb and the hidden Ustashephiles will not be able to change the history…”. Hence, he is justifying communist crimes and defending them by not even mentioning that there were many of those as a consequence of Srb uprising.
Mesic forgot to mention that during his presidency of Croatia (2000 – 2010) and to this day there have been discovered hundreds of new mass graves, pits, where remains of innocent victims of WWII Communist Partisan crimes lie. He forgot to conclude that such evidence is irrefutable testimony of mass war crimes being the policy of the communist regime. 1,700 mass graves across former Yugoslavia: Slovenia nearly 600, Croatia 850, Bosnia and Herzegovina 90 and Serbia about 190.
That number spells organised crime, is a manifestation of communist and antifascist policy.
So as far as I am concerned Stjepan Mesic and all those who keep insulting the victims of communist crimes (any victim, for that matter) by calling those who want justice for them Ustashephiles, by justifying the communist crimes for political reasons, who keep on with the rhetoric about needing to make those who perpetrated the crimes answerable but do nothing to make prosecution happen when it comes to their communist comrades, should go away or be made to go away and stop obstructing justice. Those like Stjepan Mesic who will not see that the need to prosecute and condemn communist crimes has nothing to do with changing history as a matter of some political juggling game but everything to do with putting the history right in accordance with irrefutable evidence can vanish from my global neighbourhood too. I’m more interested in the pursuit for justice for victims of communist crimes than being exposed to the utter vulgarities Croatia’s so-called antifascists are peddling about. Ina Vukic, Prof. (Zgb); B.A., M.A.Ps. (Syd)
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Hm, writer, historian and publisher Slavko Goldstein, who fought in World War II as a partisan and spoke at that commemoration as the personal representative of Croatian Prime Minister and said that the right-wing protesters were “the biggest pests in Croatia”. He said it was true however that 179 Croats were killed in revenge attacks in the nearby village of Boricevac after the uprising. “Those victims should be recognized,” he said.
What a pathetic little man! Why did he not recognize those 179 murdered by his brethren instead of just saying “should be recognized”. Beside the 179 are only the tip of the iceberg as Srb started continuous murders of innocent Croatian that spread like a plague, communist plague. Perhaps Goldstein has instructions from Efraim Zuroff of Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel NOT to recognize victims of communist crimes?
This lot of die-hard communists pretending to be antifascists make me sick to the stomach
We came to pay respect to the victims of Chetniks’ terror and massacre after the 27th of July 1941. That day represents the attempt of ethnic cleansing by removing Croatian population from Srb and its wider area. It was a day of some kind of uprising and it will be remarked as the same in the future, but we would like to open the public hearing in order to point out to Croatian public what really happened inhere. Remarking of that day is the attempt to rehabilitate the Chetnik movement, and we condemn such thing, reported Daniel Srb, the president of Croatian Party of Rights for daily newspaper Vecernji list in July 2011 and these words still stand today.
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“On Saturday 27 July nearby the Srb commemoration site a group led by the Autochthon Croatian Party of Rights protested against the antifascist Srb commemoration claiming that the Srb Uprising was not an antifascist operation in WWII but a pure Serb Chetnik murderous spree against Croatians”
So, a party, which has a neo-fascist politic and reclaims to be the heir of Pary of Rights, protests against a antifascist celebration. I would say that is like if a neo-fascist party from Italy protests against the rise up of partisans in some point of Italy. Perhaps, I am the only one who seeing the contradiction.
“That number spells organised crime, is a manifestation of communist and antifascist policy”
It is clear that the partisan movement, in Yugoslavia, in Italy or in other parts throught Europe was the reason for the creation of Fascist, Nazi and far right regimes and not the opposite.
“Those like Stjepan Mesic who will not see that the need to prosecute and condemn communist crimes has nothing to do with changing history as a matter of some political juggling game but everything to do with putting the history right in accordance with irrefutable evidence can vanish from my global neighbourhood too”
Of course you do not want to change History. What you want to do is to equalize a criminal (puppet) state like was Indepent State of Croatia which spontaneous movement like the partisan one. The latter is a reaction for the politicy of the former. I would say that the crime organization was not the antifascist movement but It was the Ustachi Regime which planned the genocide of Serbs, Roma and Jewish. Compare that plan with rise up where partisans killed people (most of them were not as innocent as you wrote) or the investigation of mass graves is not pursuit of justice but an exersice of trying to equialize the victims of a state that had a plan to kill them with the victims of a movement that was born because fight was the only chance to survive.
Speaker, there is no justification for war crimes no matter who commits them or for whatever political reasons. To fight might have been the only chance to survive but to kill innocent people and those who do not agree with your politics and are at the time of killing unarmed spells out war crimes. By the way, since you talk of genocide,You omitted to mention “judenfrei” in Serbia under Milan Nedic – and please don’t tell me Germans killed 94% of Serbia’s Jews by May 1942 instead of Serbs who brought them to slaughter. By the way – if only a handful of innocent people were killed that is a crime and there were more than handful of those communist partisans murdered during and after WWII. So I suggest we stick to the crimes and the victims. No one is trying to equalise anything except justice for all the victims.
I just want to reply to the next part, because I do not want to extend too much and I keep my opinion about equalizing at the same level the assasinations of partisan brand and Ustachi brand.
“you omitted to mention “judenfrei” in Serbia under Milan Nedic – and please don’t tell me Germans killed 94% of Serbia’s Jews by May 1942 instead of Serbs who brought them to slaughter”
I did not ommitte the judenfrei, I thought the topic was about the uprising in Srb, the partisan role and the victims of them in Croatia. If you want to know my opinion about the goverment of Milan Nedic I can say that was a puppet of III Reich. What I cannot say it is most of people in Serbia decided to look to other part meanwhile the genocide to Jewish was carrying out or they had a more active role in that (the same thing I say for people who lived in the Independent State of Croatia).
Speaker – while I’m no defender of any side in WWII because both had done things they should be ashamed of and equally prosecuted and condemned for you seem to put a greater emphasis on crimes committed by Ustashe regime than on crimes committed by communist partisans. And to me that is wrong and equating the two as far as crimes committed is concerned is the right thing to do, no matter what you say or try to say, IT COMES DOWN TO HUMANITY NOT POLITICS – and politics had written history of WWII and thereby conveniently omitted to mention to the full extent communist crimes. Your comment that most people in Serbia decided to look to other part rather than genocide like people in Independent Croatia – you are again omitting important things, you omitted to mention that not all people who lived in Independent Croatia had an active role in exterminations … but really, you appear to be all about minimising even covering up the fact that Serbia was a collaborator of the Nazis …Yes the topic was uprising at Srb but associated with it are the circumstance of the time and you actually brought up the Serbs, Roma and Jews in Croatia during WWII but like most communist crimes deniers you omitted to mention that Croats died too in the same equation, in Jasenovac etc…
QUOTE: “So, a party, which has a neo-fascist politic and reclaims to be the heir of Pary of Rights, protests against a antifascist celebration. I would say that is like if a neo-fascist party from Italy protests against the rise up of partisans in some point of Italy. Perhaps, I am the only one who seeing the contradiction.” ENDQUOTE
The problem is that the sham antifascists, like Pupovac was and remains part of a neofascist party that ran the genocidal, Nazi-Fascist, ethnically purified of 99.5% of all pre-1991 non-Serb SRAO “Krajina,” and his other neofascist SDSS party members, like the unindicted war criminal with massive on-the-ground command responsibility for not preventing nor ever prosecuting anyone in Vukovar for war crimes despite his command responsibility, Vojislav Stanimirovic, took part in the event.
Stipe Mesic, the documented purgeror, traitor, war profiteer and compulisive liar on the other hand, had quite a close relationship with the traitor Paraga and HSP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1MjQMbM0zM).
Ivan Fumic, the Tito regime show court dog who for decades has been defrauding the Croatian government and taxpayers by collecting a pension he never nor will ever rate being he was a child at WWII’s end is a Communist, SAB President, is a die-hard Communist and Titoist / Tito apologist.
But Communism is not anti-Fascism, nor is Nazism nor Fascism anti-Communism, as both anti-Fascism and anti-Communism are democratic in nature while Communism, Nazism and Fascism are all dictatorial and totalitarian in nature and all have proved to be genocidal (and autogenocidal) in nature. Defending any of the three is an exercise in criminal insanity.
Not to say that there was not the share of senile diaper division Communists with their genocidal Tito dictator regalia, but there were also the SRAO “Krajina” fascists with their SRAO “Krajina” genocide flags – which the media of course conveniently overlooked and suppressed like last year.
QUOTE: “It is clear that the partisan movement, in Yugoslavia, in Italy or in other parts throught Europe was the reason for the creation of Fascist, Nazi and far right regimes and not the opposite. ” ENDQUOTE
Fascism and Nazism grew in response to the Communist USSR and the various Communist uprisings (and in Hungary, brief, murderous dictatorship) that sparked up accross Europe. The Partisan movement started after the Nazi invasion.
QUOTE: “Of course you do not want to change History. What you want to do is to equalize a criminal (puppet) state like was Indepent State of Croatia which spontaneous movement like the partisan one. The latter is a reaction for the politicy of the former. I would say that the crime organization was not the antifascist movement but It was the Ustachi Regime which planned the genocide of Serbs, Roma and Jewish. Compare that plan with rise up where partisans killed people (most of them were not as innocent as you wrote) or the investigation of mass graves is not pursuit of justice but an exersice of trying to equialize the victims of a state that had a plan to kill them with the victims of a movement that was born because fight was the only chance to survive.” ENDQUOTE
The problem with your “argument” is that the Partisan movement was a totalitarian one – it preached freedom and democracy and practiced political violence and both during and after the war, mass, organized murder, i.e. genocide.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. The revisionists are the Goldsteins and Jakovinas of the world who continually, in the face of the most overwhelming evidence (mass graves, seized property, and on and on) still deify the last Hapsburg, the Austro-Hungarian locksmith Tito and his failed one party dictatorship due to his and the party’s disastrous economic policies and planning, and the inherent greater Serbian structure the half-Slovenian Tito created to guard the useless, failed economic model Communist fantasy state, “Yugoslavia.”
The bottom line is that Croats were forced to choose between two evils, Pavelic’s unindependent Croatia or Yugoslav, Belgrade-loving and loyal Communism.
The choice was usually made by which side, Ustase / Domobrani, or Partisans (at least in Istra, Kvarner, occupied Dalmatia and the Islands), offered them arms to defend their village from the genocidal Chetnik fascist hordes who began, along with the Army of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the Serb Gendarmes, and the local Serbian Guard units, slaughtering Croats as the Germans were invading and they were fleeing to the mountains and woods without firing a shot most of the time, and Belgrade surrendering to seven (7) motorized SS troops.
Are you aware that Serbia’s parliament, which is led by the neofascist Tomislav Nikolic, passed a law equating the genocidal, Italian, German and Ustase collaborating Chetnik movement with the Partisan one?
Might want to troll on B92 or something.
Thank you therealamericro for the “right on” comment and to underline some important issue I quote you here: “Fascism and Nazism grew in response to the Communist USSR and the various Communist uprisings (and in Hungary, brief, murderous dictatorship) that sparked up accross Europe. The Partisan movement started after the Nazi invasion”.
I think as Noam Chomsky reminds us that the principles set at the Nuremberg Trials are extremely important. No country should be exempt from them. And as you mentioned, just on the level of being a basic decently good human being the killing of innocent people is repugnant.
From what I understand, in Europe for quite some time armies met on the battle field. Then the blitzkrieg began and that changed everything. Dresden was fire bombed, as was Tokyo. The Hanoi, etc.
We are witnessing awful things and the people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. “The Act of War” is a remarkable film along those lines, from what I heard.
Thank you on your comment Donald Miller – yes those principles set at Nuremberg are extremely important but today it seems much of the world has to actually fight bitterly for them to survive
The problem is that the modern day Nuremburg, the ICTY, is not behaving like Nuremburg and has been equating the victims with the genocidal greater Serbian aggressors who waged a long pre-planned war with a very detailed Warning Order, the RAM (Rampart) Plan, that outlined the systematic targeting of civilians to demoralize the “enemies of socialist self-management.”
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Croatia has suffered so much for years and years. God bless you and your work for truth!
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Thank you also for translating even the comments. I use Bing and Google, not always with good results. Ach! Such a dangerous place this world. Thank you for all that you have done.
Thank you for being here bearspawprint I love visiting your site. Yes I do take the time to translate comments that come in Croatian because automatic internet based translations can be quite incorrect – so more work of love from me but, hey, it gives me pleasure so all good 🙂
Thank you, again. I do read comments. Often I don’t know enough to make my own comments. I must run about doing searches to find that I don’t know even more than I thought I didn’t know. Thank you for your heartfelt instruction.
Yes my blog is rather specialised but it came to be so in the face of so much misinformation and propaganda, so I do my bit for the truth and justice, both of which are most difficult to achieve these days. Not the one to get deterred because of that 🙂 thank you
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